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bigkid58 Oct 10th, 07, 12:16 AM I bought a 74 Nova hatchback. All of the interior parts were in a pile in the hatch area. Mostly unusable. There are a bunch of sheet metal pieces. I'm assuming they go to the hatch area. Does anyone have a diagram of where these parts go? Thanks.
Gloryhound Oct 10th, 07, 12:49 AM I may someplace, but I don't have time to really search for it through everything I have before I leave on a job to Slovenia. I'll have some of my CD's with me and I will look through them and see if any of them have anything while I'm there. If I find something and get lucky enough to have an internet connection at the hotel I'll see if I can get it online for you, but it will be a couple of days at least and if it waits till I get back then probably a month.
bigkid58 Oct 10th, 07, 09:43 PM Thanks for the response. Good luck in Slovenia.
Philip Oct 10th, 07, 09:54 PM Rick while we are waiting on David can you post some photos of the parts? Maybe we can figure some of it out. I have a 75 hatchback and some of the stuff may be the same.
bigkid58 Oct 13th, 07, 01:11 PM I have taken pictures and downloaded them to my computer but am unable to transfer them to this site. I have tried the "manage attachment" button but have had no luck. Any suggestions? Am going to a car show today and might see some Novas I can check out. Thanks for the reply.
Philip Oct 13th, 07, 01:17 PM Rick this (http://www.novas.net/forums/showthread.php?t=1896) is how I post photos. There is also a link at the top that will take you to the site showroom area for uploading photos.
Gloryhound Oct 13th, 07, 04:50 PM Here is what I could dig up on my CD's.
The first one says it is for the Vega, but I remember the 74 SOA Hatchback I parted out was very similar to this.
http://mysite.verizon.net/david_amon/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Floorhardware.JPG
And here is the other one I found.
http://mysite.verizon.net/david_amon/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/Sheetmetal.JPG
http://mysite.verizon.net/david_amon/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sheetmetalA.JPG
I hope this helps you a little!:)
bigkid58 Oct 14th, 07, 12:10 AM Thank you so much David and Philip for responding. You have given me extremely valuable information. Today has been a great day for me. On top of receiving your valuable information I started up the engine on my 74 for the first time after the previous owner left it sitting for 9 years. So far so good. Thanks again.
Philip Oct 14th, 07, 02:08 AM What size engine is it and how did it sound? The AZ climate is not to harsh on engines that sit. I have fired some up after 10 years or more and they ran well. If your Nova engine is a V8 and original there are some items that routinely need replacing. Besides the distributor cap, points, rotor, plugs and wires if it has over 90k miles on it it may be due for a timing chain and gear replacement. The factory cam gear is pot metal with nylon coated teeth and will start to fall apart at about that mileage.
The 400 sb I built for my Nova was originaly in a 72 Impala. I purchased the whole car for the engine. It had sat for about 12 years but the owner started it up prior to my buying it. It ran rough and after all new tune up parts it still wouldn't run smooth. During tear down I discovered the cam gear had lost most of the nylon covering and the chain was just flopping around. The rebuilt engine is soon to be installed in my 77 after sitting on the engine stand for 9 years. Below is a picture of my son helping to build the the engine, he is going to graduate high school in May. Time flys, especially as I get older.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/64elcamino/ethan1.jpg
bigkid58 Oct 14th, 07, 04:05 PM You are right about time flying. I was going to wait until I retired in a few years to buy a car but decided I better do it now so I can still get up after laying under it. I may have a gem in the rough. The engine was rebuilt just before being stored. It is a 350 .030 over, Hooker headers and flowmasters, forged TRW pistons and crank kit, Edelbrock performer cam,intake,carb, and gear drive, HEI ignition with Accel wires,large recore rad,new alt,starter,power steering pump,rebuilt TH-350 trans. with kit,Hurst floor shifter,new tires(9 years old) and American Polished alum. rims,polyurethane bushings,new front and rear springs and shocks. It even has a removable steering wheel. Prior to starting it I changed the oil and filter,pulled the plugs and squirted oil in the cyls.,bought a battery,replaced the fuel hose in the engine compartment,cranked it over to build up oil pressure,replaced the plugs and let 'er fly. As soon as the carb filled with fuel it started right up.I kept shutting it off and checking for leaks and after a few minutes it was running smooth and sounding good.It is not as radical as I thought it would be.Maybe you can answer another question for me. I ran the fuel pump inlet into a gas can.Since the car has sat for 9 years what should I do about the gas tank and steel line? My next step is to make sure the brake system is working properly before I try a street run. Thanks for the information. You may have seen this car on e-bay a couple of weeks ago.
Philip Oct 14th, 07, 04:38 PM Rick that sounds like a great car. A lot of money has been spent on the engine.
Siphon as much of the old fuel out as you can and then fill it with fresh.Install a fuel filter on the incoming line either at the pump or under the car. There is a section of rubber hose under the passenger side just aft of the sub frame that is easy to get to.You cancheck the fuel filter to see if you are picking up any rust or debris. If you find you need a tank I have an extra one you can have for free.
We are the same age if that number in your user name is your age.
bigkid58 Oct 14th, 07, 09:30 PM You got the age right. There is an inline fuel filter after the pump I haven't changed yet. I will change it and do the tank. After I run it for a while do I cut open the filter and check for rust? I was planning on dropping the tank to do a visual check and empty any remaining fuel and replace the rest of the rubber line. I hope I don't have to take you up on the tank but if I do I would gladly pay for it. I thought there might be something that I could slosh around inside the tank to clean or coat it. The previous owner gave me $5000 in receipts for the car.
Philip Oct 14th, 07, 10:44 PM If there is a lot of rust/junk in the tank when you remove the filter it will run out the inlet end. If nothing comes out you may want to cut it open and look. Once your tank starts to rust the best thing to do is to replace it. New tanks are available. I have 2 from cars I parted out plus the one in the car I haven't checked yet.
If you pull the tank you might find a build sheet. Some Novas have had them there.
Philip Oct 14th, 07, 11:28 PM found this on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1973-1974-1975-1976-77-78-79-Nova-Skylark-Fuel-Gas-Tank_W0QQitemZ260170046769QQihZ016QQcategoryZ33556 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
bigkid58 Oct 14th, 07, 11:47 PM Thanks for the tip on the build sheet. I will check out the tank next weekend. I looked at the e-bay tank.
Philip Oct 14th, 07, 11:51 PM They are Canadian made and of a real good quality. Several places sell them. I was on eBay bidding on a grill and park lights. I won and I am happy. I have been looking for those lights for several years. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220158229526&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:MT:31
bigkid58 Oct 20th, 07, 11:54 PM Pulled the tank. Looks clean inside, no built sheet. Noticed some seepage where the filler attaches to the tank. Probably happened as I took out the tank. Can I use something like JB Weld to seal it? Good tip on placement of fuel filter under passenger side. Mine is under hood but I will relocate it.
Philip Oct 21st, 07, 12:20 AM Is the seepage from the joint or has the cap been leaking and it has run down and just stained the area at the base of the filler?
The seam can be sealed with JB weld as long as the area is clean, real clean.
bigkid58 Oct 21st, 07, 09:18 PM It's from the filler neck. When I lowered the tank it was half full and when I tilted it toward the filler it seeped out. I emptied the tank, checked for rust, cleaned the filler neck joint and put some JB Wweld on it. Removed the sending unit because it wasn't working and got it to work, corroded connections. Got all the lights working except the headlights, again corroded connections. I got 10 gallons of 9 year old gas from the tank. Since it's hard to dispose of can I mix it 50-50 with new gas and use it?
Philip Oct 21st, 07, 09:30 PM If it is brown and smells like varnish take it to a hazardous waste disposal site. We have them in Pima county, I am sure Maricopa county does too. Then again you could try and sell it for what it originally cost per gallon (about 99 cents) and some fool would buy it :D
bigkid58 Oct 28th, 07, 01:12 PM Got the tank back in, relocated the filter under the passenger door. Next is checking out the brakes. New questions : The battery was relocated to the back seat area by previous owner to make room for a radiator overflow. I would like to move it back. At some recent car shows I see guys that put the overflow on the other side of the radiator and run the tube across the top of the support. What are your thoughts on that. Also, I have e-mailed Hagerty and Heacock to see if I qualify for their classic car insurance. What do you guys do to register a car with no smog equipment?
Rick
Philip Oct 28th, 07, 01:51 PM If you can find a 75 - 79 overflow tank it sits in the fender behind the core support on the passenger side.
If your car is not going to be a daily driver put Historic plates on it and insure thru Hagerty and it will be exempted from emissions testing compliments of the new law in effect since May.
bigkid58 Oct 28th, 07, 03:51 PM Thanks Philip, I'll try to find a tank. I definitely want to go the historic route. Hagerty won't insure unless the car is worth $5000. I sent them an e-mail to have them estimate the car.
Rick
Philip Oct 28th, 07, 04:34 PM How can it not be worth $5k?
I have one, I'll go out and snap some photos for you. BRB
Philip Oct 28th, 07, 05:13 PM Ok here are the overflow pictures.
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/64elcamino/77%20Nova%20project/77overflowtank.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/64elcamino/77%20Nova%20project/77overflowtankinstalled.jpg
I may not use it, if not I'll let you know.
I bought one of these
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j199/64elcamino/Aluminum%20radiator/alumradcatchcan.jpg
bigkid58 Oct 28th, 07, 09:04 PM Thanks for the photos. Is there still room for the battery using that container? Thanks for the input on the value of the car. I was going on what I paid for it. I have seen ads for rollers for $3500 and up. I guess I got a smokin' deal. I finally got it to move on its own power today. Had to add 3 quarts of atf and it still isn't showing on the stick.
Rick
Philip Oct 28th, 07, 11:21 PM The tank sits completely inside the fender area, just the cap sticks out enough to add fluid.
elkyoned Nov 16th, 07, 07:27 PM I have a 74 Nova Hatchback and take pictures tomorrow and post if that would help that is if you still need pictures of the hatchparts... I answered before i realized it was an older post. but if you need pics of anything taht I help with just let me know.
I Love my 74 Nova Hatchback its white with Blue racing stripes (they make it faster LOL )
bigkid58 Nov 17th, 07, 10:11 PM I would appreciate some photos. I have a diagram but photos would help. The interior is gutted and the back seat and floor pieces are in a pile. If you could post or e-mail some photos with the seat up and down and some of the dash and interior panels that would be great. This is my first restoration. I have ordered a '74 fisher body service manual that should help. Can I contact you in the future if I have questions? Also feel free to contact me. I don't know how much help I can be but at least we have the same car. I am currently doing the brakes and then I should at least be able to run it around the block.
Thanks
Rick
elkyoned Nov 17th, 07, 11:08 PM Rick,
Tomorrow I will take some pictures, my interior seats aren't original at least I don't think they are but maybe it will help some, I have only had the car since July and took it teh Woodward Dream Cruise in Ferndale, Mi its the largest cruise in N America at least they what they claim, 17 miles of cruising, 1.7 million people attended and over 40,000 cars I seen soem from Canada How do they count all of them people? feel free to contact me and if I can help I will be glad to. I really love the older cars, I have a 86 El Camino and my Stepdaughter and I are slowly working on a 65 Mustang I bought for her on her 16th birthday.. and now she is 21 so its a slow process but it does start. lol.. The Nova was awesome from the start . good luck with your project and I will email the pictures tomorrow, I'm assuming your email address is in your profile.
Dave
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